Originally by: James Snowscoran

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Some people like sitting at poses for hours, other people like to shoot said poses for hours but we like racking up insane amounts of kills and beating the highest odds.

Plus taking the stuff of so many people in so little time kinda gets me off.

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Hmm well okay on second thought I guess that probably does appeal to a large degree of the EVE playerbase...still not something that really appeals to me though

I had the impression you guys don't actually take on superior odds all that often though. Do you?

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Originally by: Ione Hunt

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I was never the biggest fan of your tactics, no matter how incredibly effective they seem, but I have to admit...IMPRESSIVE STATS!

PS: I can't believe I'm giving kudos to BE, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little

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Originally by: Aceonfire

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Originally by: Vily

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No matter what anyone says,

BE kills alot of ****.

you can't argue it because its a fact. They dont try to destroy alliances, they don't try to hold sov. they just kill alot of **** at the least cost.

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naw, they just play the game in a way that 90 percent of even finds extremely boring.

it doesnt take any skill to do what they do, just patience. If you want to give them props for something, let it be for their patience.

Anyone could do what they do, but who wants to sit on a gate or cloaked in a safe spot for hours on end?

Get those numbers while you are not sitting on a gate in a cloaking raven and I will be impressed.

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Originally by: Lucius Ventrue

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Hrm, I do remember you guys coming down to our area using a pretty sound tactic and getting a few kills.

Crossing dictors on the main group, followed by 180-200km sniping ravens...

It did get a few kills initially, then once I figured out your tactic I distinctly remember wtf pwning your force in P8, yes with 2x your numbers.
And yes, you guys do drop some nice gears :)

I would definatly give you props for the tactic you used to pickoff a few from the primary group, kinda like a turkey shoot for you I imagine, but when you have 2 or 3 covert ops around your grand plan it ruins your day.

Was a good time though when you came down though, figuring your tatics out. Good learning experience for future encounters with others.

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Originally by: Lucius Ventrue

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I am in Rise

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Nice cop out, if your as narrow minded to think because I wear a alliance tag, I do not have the sense to figure out your easy tactics your very mistaken.

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Your tactics used on us, while is sound and have been proven based on your kill stats are easily broken. Unfortunately, I was not present for most of your killing on my alliance, but ironically the last day you guys showed your face there I was present.

Recapping that day, it was 7 BE vs. about 18rise. You guys had been harassing our area for the previous few days and I noticed that on the killboard, with great success. So I assemble a small fleet, about 14 at the time, we start to congregate around the RIT station in heavy assets. Your dictors warp in (2 of them) dropping very well placed bubbles on our group, then mwd'ing away aligned to warp, ... at the same time you warp in the 5 snipers (satan, arnold, few others), all about 180-210km away, few long range ravens with dampers and a few armaggons. You successfully pick off a BC and a BS before we get a crow near you; since youÆre aligned you warp off.

I monitor all of this from a zoomed out view with tactic view and figure out how to beat that tactic if you plan to keep using it. We bunch back up and move further away from the station. You guys execute the same tactic again, this time with minor success but still getting an elite frig.

I briefly go over a plan on TS how to break this tactic

2 Covert probing Pilots
Primary fleet staying in a bunch (refit with MWD and nano's to exit bubble)
5 folks and a dictor in offgrid position

We bunch up for a 3rd time this time changing complement of the ships to ad a few snipers, giving you the illusion we were going to fight you straight up, but what you didnÆt know where the 2 offgrid probing coverts, probing your snipe position; typically you warp in the dictors, drop the bubbles, queue snipers, queue faceoff.... covert gets your position in 25sec, warp to 0 on you, offgrid fleet warps on top of you (dictor) drops bubble.

Down goes your master plan, 4 battleships and a few dictors fall that day using that reverse tactic.

You guys never came back after that.

http://eve-rise.coldpoetry.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2660
http://eve-rise.coldpoetry.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2658
http://eve-rise.coldpoetry.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2717
http://eve-rise.coldpoetry.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2737

Be*****y, thatÆs fine, you guys have a great kill ratio, are very experienced PVP players.

But to label me a n00b or weak because of what corp/alliance label I wear, shows how naive you are.

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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C) You're in Rise.. what would you know about pvp?

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If i remember correctly, RISE were involved in a battlenore that long ago, were loses alone were worth about the same as your entire periods ganking stats..

While your stats are good for a gank corp, this is only a small aspect of PVP.. if you choose to ignore the large picture, then how great can your own knowledge be? it's like a foot soldier telling a general he knows more about warfare, because he believes he can fire a gun better..

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Originally by: BANDID

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Edited by: BANDID on 07/04/2007 09:57:39

Originally by: Anaximander Monk

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Bandid, you underestimate the signifigance of numbers. One, Mathematics is the language of nature. Two, Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. Three: If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Would you like your numbers and BEs numbers compared on a graph? I beleive the gradients would differ pretty radically.

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I dont underestimate nothing, i know how the operate its simple u dont even have to have an iq of an Monk to do what they do, period

old and simple tactics they work yes,

But to Brag post something as Numbers doesnt cut it, then again when someone valualbe dec u u are gone for ever.

Fex BE vs Bydi and ure history

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Originally by: Jovian Strain

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Indeed, awesome stats but you do indeed achieve absolutely nothing in the big picture.
The only chance you ever had to do something significant on the map, you blew off with the goons.
Its not your fault either, you just lack the numbers.

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Originally by: Capt Crazee

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You guys think you're hot stuff. Take a trip to Cloudring. Ask FLA what happens

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Originally by: Capt Crazee

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9-4RP2 would be a good start

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Originally by: Vasili Z

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YouTwot? Very clever.

Comparing the stats of a 21 man pvp corp to an entire alliance who have space to protect and be ganked in by corps like yours, and npcers and carebears floating around is ridiculous.

I only play every couple days and pvp on the weekends, and since I've joined YouWhat:
Real kills: 186
Losses: 6
Damage done (ISK): 12295.9M
Damage received (ISK): 260.5M

If there was 21 of me? Point is, a group of friends who just happen to be great at pvp and play a lot, are gonna own, and own hard.

And don't listen to Crazee, he has no idea what he's talking about. I gave him a banana, he likes.

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Originally by: canned

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Originally by: Masta Killa

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Originally by: canned

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honestly all ive ever seen u guys do is Smack alot and cloak. u guys are ego-maniac attention seekers. you try to make it look as though your like gods but your not....all i think u guys are, are smacktalkers. no-one has any respect for ya. when someone comes along and pwns you lot...your gonna start crying. making a post about how many u kill each month is just getting boring ... WOW u kill things...well so does alot of other people.
in most if not all your posts in this all there is is smack smack and more smack. i think your the ones who are the collosal ignoramus's, and your the clown that thinks he lives i never never land. BTW your mum thinks im cool

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So BURN EDEN was started on christmas day in 2003 and if the corp has never been "pwned" as you put it, what are the odds that some hero is gonna suddenly appear and "pwn" us 4 years later?

Nothing and nobody can compete with our e-honor as gods of this mmog tbfh.
Noobs with can smacktalk at us all they like but it doesn't take much to brush you off.

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Thats the trouble with burn eden... You think that nothing can kill ya...then when it does it will hit ya right in the face. just cos Burn eden was started on christmas doesnt mean its "uber". looking at your killboard all u seem to do is camp a well used 0.0 entry point. wow your so "uber" woopedy dooo.

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Originally by: BANDID

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Originally by: Crucifier

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Originally by: BANDID

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Declare war to a similar good pvp corp and then show us numbers.

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There is no such thing.

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Brag there are enough around probably a bit busy.

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Originally by: BANDID

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Oh and btw Ebil Droopy u should rename this thread as THE BRAG IS IN HERE !

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